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hey this is Sean and this is Jay and

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with all due respect to the Air Force

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and I believe that some of them will

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what's up Jay how are you I here we have

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a wonderful beautiful fantastic

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excellent best thing you could ever

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imagine showing guest today oh my gosh

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we sure do we sure do and um yeah I'm

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I'm doing great how are you doing today

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doing good good yeah we're we're just

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starting to get hit with the

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sorry I'm turning my keyboard off here

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just got uh started to get hit with a

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winter storm so oh really it's coming in

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we're getting the ice section of it so

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it's getting all icy in the driveway and

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then you have to worry about you know is

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the old person across the street gonna

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break their ankle or something to some

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you know I gotta be prepared for that I

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have the salt ready

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so you know I'm just all at night is

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going to be me and that storm one-on-one

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so yep you know throwing out the window

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neighbor doesn't leave their house

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gently mentally prepared for that

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um which really be you know this is just

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a case my wife watches you know I mean

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between you and me what I'm really doing

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is just gonna lay down on the couch and

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probably watch Leslie Kane's uh you know

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nice documentary episodes from us

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absolutely yeah they're great maybe you

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read a little bit yeah I've been I've

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been really really enjoying them it's

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it's awesome to see folks like Jacques

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filet and you know uh Ryan Graves and of

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course Leslie you know she does most of

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the time she does a fair amount of the

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talking head footage but then also

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people like um it's great to see kind of

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underknown figures like Mark rodiger

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who's run cute fost since um since

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heinek left us and people like Linda

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the Hudson Valley cases for many years

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folks like that making it onto air too

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that don't normally get TV time that's

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really dope right so yeah yeah and I saw

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that um in the fifth episode it is dope

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and I saw that on the fifth episode Gary

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Nolan's going to show up uh and that

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aired on TV next week but you know what

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um Sean did an amazing thing and booked

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Gary Nolan for our show so we're gonna

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we're gonna kind of scoop Leslie by

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accident on Friday this week

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um and uh and and we'll just have Gary

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yeah yeah yeah

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we're just gonna I would never spoil

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Leslie's show I would never spoil hey um

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one thing I gotta show you I just got

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these in the mail the other day Apollo

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yeah and so now I get to like toast to

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Edgar Mitchell

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um oh wow

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sober and so pretty exciting review

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while you use the cup yeah exactly yeah

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yeah so it's going to be my my new

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tell us a little bit uh well you know

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how are you I'm guessing you're you're

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you're doing well fantastic

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but no no no no no no it's always good

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to check in with my emotional state

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before we go into an interview because

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we can time out for a second if you need

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a breath yeah okay all right

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yeah no I'm good yeah again okay yeah no

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I've got a I've got a bio for our guest

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morning and I'm I'm really pumped I've

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been looking at his books here for a

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little while all right so Chris aubek

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age 19 and has lived there ever since

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his interest in the historical and

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sociological aspects of unexplained

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aerial phenomena began at an early age a

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student of language and folklore he's

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pre-1947 UFO cases in the world he's

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awarded a prize for his contributions in

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the field by the Spanish organization

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fundacion and namalia he's a co-author

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of return to Magonia and wonders in the

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sky with uh wonders in the sky with

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chocolate as well as His Brilliant new

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book alien artifacts the Forgotten story

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of how we began to believe in visitors

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from the Stars Chris it's great to have

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oh yeah how's it going there good yeah

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thanks so much for for doing this I

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really appreciate it I know you don't do

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a lot of uh of interviews but

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um you're kind enough to to grant us

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some time so I really do appreciate I

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look forward to picking your brain

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yeah I never do and I don't know why I

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just don't it's like something that I

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never do so I do them very badly too so

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uh I'm just I spend like half an hour

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trying to work out here I'm a camera

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angles lights and everything it's

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something I'll have to get used to I

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yeah well you do you whatever whatever

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you want to do you know sometimes some

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people aren't interview people don't

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like doing it that's cool if you do I'm

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sure you get a part a lot of wisdom as

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that so I mean I took some time to

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listen to your some of your past

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um which I'm glad I did because I really

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got some insight for you and I found

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some some common ground actually between

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us and what I mean by that is is going

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um the the need or want or desire to go

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to the start of things to to see how

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things kind of got to to where they are

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which is very you know complicated and

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years so you know I'm up to maybe just

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um situation in the late 1800s but

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Blue Book stuff and so my first question

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the first UFO sighting was Kenneth

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wasn't it no no I'm just so so when did

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it when did it uh really start back in

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the day and and what made you want to

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chase that rabbit

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the 24th of June 1947 uh when he saw

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these nine uh objects in the sky I mean

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see like boomerangs and flying sauces so

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a misinterpretation it might cause 50

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years of of people making stuff up about

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source-shaped craft or not who knows but

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Kenneth Arnold there had been a lot of

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the same situation if you if you look on

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released by The Pentagon these aren't

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full specific objects either so it it

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does make you wonder what what

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percentage of the cases that have been

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influenced by this mistake that a

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journalist made at the time well the

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year before uh Kenneth Arnold's sighting

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conclusion that was aliens

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floating over the city and hoping to

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study us or sort of keeping an eye on on

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us in some and so you can say that it I

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one that kicked it off uh kind of um

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media circus

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it I mean the the saucer really is is

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just like uh you know something that

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people let John do to kind of describe

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maybe the same thing that's been

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happening for hundreds of years right

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I've seen or whatever there definitely

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weren't playing saucers the videos they

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don't look like you know cigars or flag

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saucers but

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you know like when did people as far as

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you know like on the record start

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documenting that they were seeing things

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record to go back to Mesopotamia for

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example and they didn't record sightings

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uh they didn't read the signs in uh in a

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book as as we might today but there are

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some tablets in in cuneiform to talk

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about Bowman's seen in the sky

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and many of them were pretty strange

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don't seem like normal meteors or stars

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in the soil clouds they weren't um black

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stationary in the heavens difficult to

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um they also mentioned these tablets

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butterflies and things like that so as

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that 5 000 years there are

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um there are records of unusual objects

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ancient Egypt the the reputation that

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Egypt has as a place that may have been

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visited by aliens at some point

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few records from that from that period I

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Dead I've seen lots of images The Book

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of the Dead and say well here this is

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proof this is proof of if you read it

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there's nothing like that in it there

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um some sightings uh some unusual uh

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missile type things that come from the

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sky and throughout armies and they seem

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phenomena uh so there is a potential

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um then after that we get to ancient

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Greece where we find

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um a few interesting sightings too uh

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nothing too extraordinary yeah then

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um after that China

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uh Israel is Korean and we get to

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Medieval Times I mean really it doesn't

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matter how far back you look you will

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find evidence of unusual things seen in

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the sky and if we take them at face

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value at least

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um many of them are inexplicable so you

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know it seems that UFOs do go back a

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so much thank you

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now many people will know you best at

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this point

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co-authored the book Wonders in the sky

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unexplained aerial objects from

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Antiquity to modern times with Dr

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Jacques delay filet of course is known

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for collaborating with many groups over

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the years but as an author he'd

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primarily written a loan before that

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point so how did you come to meet and

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get acquainted with Dr valet and how did

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that progress to working on a book

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together

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well he was the first person I ever sent

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an email to in my life uh and that was

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in the Year 1997 when someone showed me

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a computer and I found his email that's

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on the internet and amazingly it was it

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was his and it was his real address I

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sent him um I I think I made a very

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quick Yahoo account or something I sent

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him an email I didn't see a computer

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again for about 10 months

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um when I did find one

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um he'd replied to me wow

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together at some point and I said

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I said do that there's not too many

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people it's spend all of their UFO Time

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by looking at historical sightings then

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um I started a group called Magonia

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Exchange in the year 2003 where it is

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still going strong so this year is the

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20th anniversary of that group in fact

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it was April 2003 and

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um it's got members it will it has had

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members because it fluctuates a lot uh

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in 80 countries I don't know there's so

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many different places in the world and

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people contribute information that they

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find in old magazines Diaries books

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letters and we found some incredible

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things and we've had some amazing

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members and we still have

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um he joined and then he said why don't

332
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you come to to visit me in Portugal he

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was going to be an Oporto

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and in October I said yeah let's do it

335
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and I I was very nervous I was

336
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I was too I think at that time I went

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there and um

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I met him

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uh his his wife Janine uh who who's had

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always died since then and uh spent some

341
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time together talking about

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um what UFOs in history in general and

343
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then I said to him I have an idea a

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chance why don't we write a book

345
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together let's do this we can I think

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together we have enough information for

347
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a book and of course he said to me no no

348
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it's not I'm not interested but his wife

349
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tried to convince him he said I think

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this is a really great idea and this

351
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young man knows what he's talking about

352
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and and that's how it it basically

353
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happened I returned to Spain you know

354
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still thinking we'd never do it and then

355
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he called me one day while I was walking

356
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down the supermarket buying cheese and

357
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then I was like all right great that's

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great and people were saying to me um

359
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it's your turn and your house on the

360
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tube in the line

361
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anyway it doesn't matter that's exactly

362
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how I started then we spent

363
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um

364
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two or three years just working very

365
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intensely on

366
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um on the on collecting all of the cases

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that we could find which were literally

368
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thousands there there have been so many

369
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um catalogs and databases and all of

370
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them contain historical information but

371
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we used to

372
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uh Whittle it down from probably around

373
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4 000 cases to 500 which

374
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in that book there

375
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um

376
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kind of

377
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I guess a little more uh detailed on

378
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some of your thoughts

379
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um and I was listening to

380
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one of your interviews and and you made

381
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the connection between

382
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abductions and demonology which I

383
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thought was was fascinating

384
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um and one of the things he said is a

385
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lot of the abductions you have to keep

386
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in mind are come from hypnotic

387
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regressions

388
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so

389
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I guess my question for you is what are

390
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the similarities

391
00:17:33,710 --> 00:17:32,040
and why do you think some of those

392
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memories

393
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,820
maybe didn't need a hypnotic regression

394
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when it was you know more demonology

395
00:17:41,150 --> 00:17:39,179
based

396
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that's a very good question

397
00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:44,220
um how did we get details about these

398
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things if nobody said hypnotize them

399
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um the fact is if you pick up a copy of

400
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the Malaysia column which is the

401
00:18:01,370 --> 00:17:59,039
um the witch Hunters uh my book uh

402
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manual published in the late 15th

403
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:04,919
century it explains exactly what demons

404
00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:07,679
would do to witches they would come into

405
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:10,980
their their rooms at night they would

406
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,640
say there's a lot of talk about about

407
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bodily fluids and there's a lot of talk

408
00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:19,500
about sexuality

409
00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:22,260
um about moving them from one place from

410
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I mean the equips themselves taking them

411
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to another

412
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um there's so much of that that supports

413
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me to to wonder whether there could be

414
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deeper parallels and yeah there are

415
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,780
there's lots and lots of stories about

416
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about

417
00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:40,500
um which is being taken at night to

418
00:18:45,529 --> 00:18:42,780
particular locations where they find

419
00:18:48,110 --> 00:18:45,539
other witches the thing is because of

420
00:18:50,570 --> 00:18:48,120
the technology used at the time

421
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:50,580
um I say the word which most of the time

422
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:53,039
I'm just referring to a woman a horror

423
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man a reality young lady who was later

424
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called which of course the idea of a

425
00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:00,299
little bit of a long nose and the point

426
00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:01,919
of hat has got nothing to do with that

427
00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:04,740
just people who are accused

428
00:19:10,610 --> 00:19:06,780
um yeah and they had meetings with with

429
00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:10,620
with demons and um there's a lot of uh

430
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:11,820
talk about

431
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:14,940
um about babies and reproduction and

432
00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:17,039
there's just so much of this and lots of

433
00:19:22,730 --> 00:19:19,500
sort of traveling through the air and so

434
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on and so forth even there's even

435
00:19:28,669 --> 00:19:25,440
um stories about sort of implant type

436
00:19:30,590 --> 00:19:28,679
things under the skin uh that kind of

437
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thing uh happening in

438
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um

439
00:19:37,730 --> 00:19:34,559
demon abductions of that period

440
00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:37,740
um still it's I find that that's that's

441
00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:40,740
all very interesting article for move on

442
00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:43,080
about that and I also

443
00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:45,780
um did um a documentary for the History

444
00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:50,100
Channel years ago I talk about the thing

445
00:19:54,289 --> 00:19:51,720
um then there's a there are other

446
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,299
stories about fairies and things where

447
00:19:58,490 --> 00:19:56,400
you have exactly the same ideas there's

448
00:20:01,789 --> 00:19:58,500
also um an oppression there for

449
00:20:04,669 --> 00:20:01,799
reproduction and babies and sexuality

450
00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:04,679
and this and that is very very similar

451
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,539
to abduction stories and of course you

452
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:08,640
can also find Tales of lights in the sky

453
00:20:14,750 --> 00:20:12,480
and unusual encounters along

454
00:20:16,570 --> 00:20:14,760
um country lanes at night very very

455
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:16,580
similar to what once being told today

456
00:20:24,409 --> 00:20:20,640
then another another dimension to this

457
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:24,419
comes from a certain is this for example

458
00:20:29,390 --> 00:20:27,000
of the 17th century 18th century there's

459
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:29,400
one called Jane the lead who I'd like to

460
00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:47,270
and many of the of the Diary entries

461
00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:49,260
would say the day I saw another strange

462
00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:52,620
lie that came down almost hit the ground

463
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,320
went up into the sky again it

464
00:21:00,350 --> 00:20:57,600
disappeared the next day a

465
00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:00,360
transportation I was looking through my

466
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:03,000
window at a star in the sky and suddenly

467
00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:06,059
I found myself in a in a room uh

468
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:09,299
surrounded by people and then I had some

469
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:11,880
babies and I did this I did that

470
00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:14,160
there's so many overlaps between

471
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:17,880
abduction stories and and these that

472
00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:20,220
would be it would be terrible not to

473
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publish something about it because

474
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whatever conclusion reached whether

475
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,320
these people are being abducted in the

476
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same way as as modern That season

477
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whether it was psychological or whatever

478
00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:36,419
it would be terrible if if people have

479
00:21:42,049 --> 00:21:38,340
access to this so that's one of my next

480
00:21:43,549 --> 00:21:42,059
projects why exactly today this

481
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:43,559
information comes from hypnotic

482
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:46,799
regression well it may in if if all of

483
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:49,559
this is true then these days maybe

484
00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:52,799
they're much more careful about about

485
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,020
um deleting people's memories making

486
00:21:58,909 --> 00:21:57,120
them forget about all the best in order

487
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,919
not to cause a panic

488
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:01,679
um if it's if it's not true well perhaps

489
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,500
this comes from somewhere deeper in the

490
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:07,440
human brain but in the case of the

491
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,080
Inquisition torture that have reached

492
00:22:15,010 --> 00:22:12,840
there are so many possibilities out

493
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:15,020
there I'd like to speak to

494
00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:17,940
psychiatrists and neurosurgeons whoever

495
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:21,179
someone could who could assist with this

496
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,919
project because I'm not qualified to

497
00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:25,200
reach out from the conclusion well we

498
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:27,659
could still find patterns and all that

499
00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:30,360
and I think you do a good job with that

500
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,659
um and I guess you know just a real

501
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:35,220
quick follow-up before I hand it over to

502
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:39,120
Jay is you know do you suppose maybe the

503
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:42,659
the same ideas just won't

504
00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:45,000
maybe leave our subconscious even though

505
00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:46,740
we can't

506
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,539
more physically tangible for more people

507
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:54,240
to see at the same time type of thing do

508
00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:55,980
you know so do you think like maybe when

509
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,020
people are abducted that

510
00:23:04,669 --> 00:23:00,720
you know there's a subconscious memory

511
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:04,679
of of past uh stories or tellings of

512
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:06,780
something familiar and it's kind of

513
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,840
manifesting and and maybe you know more

514
00:23:13,970 --> 00:23:11,760
familiar ways such as like technology

515
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:13,980
and and great aliens

516
00:23:20,169 --> 00:23:16,200
I think that there's a basis in reality

517
00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:20,179
to to to all any or just a bunch of this

518
00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:24,539
uh there must be trauma involved and

519
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,140
Trauma very famously surfaces one way or

520
00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:30,000
another in the end

521
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:33,299
um I can say

522
00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:34,500
thank you

523
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:38,820
yeah fascinating uh along those lines

524
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:42,120
and in terms of like tying uh historical

525
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,320
cases that were interpreted uh along the

526
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:48,960
lines of the culture at the time you've

527
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:51,480
been an avid student of fairy lore for

528
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:53,580
quite a while and of course having

529
00:24:02,930 --> 00:23:57,539
written with Jacques and taking the name

530
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:02,940
Magonia uh in the megonia exchange for

531
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:05,100
the collaborative database

532
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,940
Etc

533
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:07,919
um it would make sense to a lot of

534
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,620
people why this would be the case but do

535
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,440
you think more followers of ufology and

536
00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:15,480
contemporary anomalous studies should

537
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:18,419
seriously look at and study fairy lore

538
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:21,780
and if so why should they

539
00:24:30,370 --> 00:24:27,480
okay so when you look back at the 1940s

540
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:30,380
um when flying sources became so popular

541
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:34,500
uh you see there's a very strong overlap

542
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:38,640
between a fairy folklore fairy beliefs

543
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:41,400
and and extraterrestrials in fact

544
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,100
throughout the first half of the 20th

545
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,679
century people were telling very very

546
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:49,440
similar stories about other kinds of

547
00:24:57,370 --> 00:24:53,280
creatures so you can find for example

548
00:25:01,149 --> 00:24:57,380
cross Circle type phenomena uh not not

549
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:01,159
exactly the same as what happened in the

550
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,260
1990s and early 2000s a lot of that was

551
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:06,960
man-made and it's pretty obvious you do

552
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:08,580
find lots of

553
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:13,320
um of cases of unusual formations and in

554
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:16,500
fields in the ground door is related to

555
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:19,260
that I have a whole collection of those

556
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:23,340
um and that's because people believed in

557
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:25,980
practically the same phenomena but

558
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:28,020
related it to different kinds of

559
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:31,980
entities so really we can't we we can't

560
00:25:38,409 --> 00:25:35,340
talk about 947 as the genus basis of

561
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,419
anything except it was when

562
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,000
these things reached a point in in

563
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:45,120
culture and in modern day communications

564
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:48,299
that everyone's been talking about more

565
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,740
so

566
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:52,320
um we can look at the kind of Continuum

567
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,320
that started long long before that and

568
00:26:00,130 --> 00:25:58,020
has reached our days if once you see

569
00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:00,140
things in in that way in an almost

570
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:02,340
evolutionary way because if you were

571
00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:04,919
looking at the evolution of the dog or

572
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:06,900
the horse or something like that and you

573
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:10,200
see the fossil record all the way up to

574
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:14,039
the modern the modern world then you

575
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,400
begin to wonder how everything fits in

576
00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:19,919
together it would be impossible to say

577
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:24,620
that from that day in 1947

578
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:28,640
everything has been real and up to that

579
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:30,779
or something like that it wouldn't make

580
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:33,419
any sense and and we know that's not the

581
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:35,580
case because so many of the stories from

582
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:40,740
before Arnold how stories from us so you

583
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:43,559
need to be aware of this evolution in

584
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:45,539
the field you need to where things come

585
00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:46,740
from

586
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:48,840
um you you would have to know know where

587
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,460
things come from no matter what you're

588
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:52,980
studying if you're studying plate

589
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,919
tectonics or the geography of India you

590
00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:57,720
have to know that things existed before

591
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,820
and how they got to that point and make

592
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,400
predictions of our future it's it would

593
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:03,919
be ridiculous

594
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,020
at that day but that's what's happened

595
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:09,360
people younger people just seem to think

596
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,940
that all of this was invented around the

597
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,400
same type of awards for Star Wars Star

598
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:17,279
Trek and whatever it's got a very very

599
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:20,340
very long history and once you once you

600
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,179
factor in very long history then you can

601
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:26,880
reach better conclusions about what all

602
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,760
of this means and make predictions for

603
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,860
the future too

604
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,500
yeah I mean it's it's a

605
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,779
to a certain extent it's it seems like a

606
00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:38,640
lot of this is almost a part of human

607
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,220
nature in some way shape or form when I

608
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:42,960
think of

609
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:48,059
the flag saucer or or beings in the the

610
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:50,520
characteristics we give those it's

611
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,539
always

612
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:54,000
you know something that's better than us

613
00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:56,820
or or almost sometimes perfect you know

614
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:01,260
so so it almost gives us this uh

615
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:03,419
almost piece of something to strive for

616
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,220
right we always want all the answers and

617
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,440
I I feel like sometimes we we put all

618
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:09,840
the questions on one thing whether it be

619
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,539
you know an alien in a spaceship a fairy

620
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,159
or something else that if we could just

621
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:17,039
figure out that riddle we would have the

622
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:19,080
answers to almost everything whether it

623
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:20,940
be the afterlife other beings in the

624
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,340
universe whether it be you know free

625
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:26,159
energy all that kind of stuff so so I

626
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:28,140
find it almost like

627
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,419
the part of human nature to want to find

628
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:32,820
perfection somehow and and maybe that's

629
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,460
a way of of you know I think it's giving

630
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:37,200
is something tangible

631
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:39,179
I think that's also pertinent of the

632
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:40,620
fact that

633
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:42,360
um until I published this book in

634
00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:43,799
November

635
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:45,860
uh

636
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,860
nobody knew maybe realized that the

637
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:52,559
Ancient Aliens theory has been with us

638
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:55,919
for 300 years in fact this is the 300th

639
00:29:02,810 --> 00:28:59,820
anniversary of sorry 200 if I don't know

640
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,820
the the 200th anniversary of of its

641
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,840
existence

642
00:29:09,130 --> 00:29:06,000
um 1823.

643
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:09,140
when Francois Champion published a book

644
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:13,980
about his theory that our ancestors had

645
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,100
come from a planet that had since been

646
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:19,500
destroyed and that and that gave rise to

647
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:22,860
the asteroid belt and that they were so

648
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:25,679
perfect that they came to the Earth uh

649
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,740
people regarded them as Gods he sort of

650
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:30,240
leads a little bit ambiguous about

651
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:32,520
whether they were our ancestors whether

652
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,679
we're just treated as Gods a separate

653
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:37,440
group he talks about Giants do and this

654
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:38,640
kind of thing

655
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:40,919
I mean what I what that means is that

656
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:43,080
for at least 200 years people have been

657
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:45,539
coming up with quite complex theories

658
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:49,620
involving aliens a lot of the time

659
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:50,340
um

660
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,299
to explain our Origins and that also

661
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,880
they they spend a lot of time talking

662
00:30:02,450 --> 00:29:58,799
about the Perfection of that culture

663
00:30:05,289 --> 00:30:02,460
that culture reached us and gave us our

664
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,299
culture we we have descended from them

665
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,880
way more advanced than our ancestors uh

666
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:10,860
something that I touched on

667
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:14,399
um in this book uh partly too because a

668
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,340
lot of the ancient astronaut Society uh

669
00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:19,279
sort of internal Theory which was

670
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:22,520
promoted by the astronaut Society in the

671
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:25,919
1970s 80s 90s

672
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:30,480
um come from racism to be honest which

673
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:33,960
is why I spend 50 pages in this book

674
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:36,260
talking about the danger

675
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:41,039
aliens Theory and how for example in

676
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:43,260
1870

677
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,399
um a French geographer made a

678
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:49,440
presentation saying that the whole

679
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:52,500
continent Australia had fallen from the

680
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:55,500
sky ended up in the Pacific Ocean and

681
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,740
that explains why all of the creatures

682
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,679
living in Australia Its flora and fauna

683
00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:04,080
and human inhabitants don't look

684
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:06,059
anything like anything else found on

685
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:09,000
this planet and how therefore we we must

686
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,100
be able to take all of that ourselves

687
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:13,679
take that land take the whole continent

688
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,279
of the Aborigines and and dominate them

689
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:19,500
and turn them into slaves and that kind

690
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:21,299
of thing this is the origins of the

691
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:23,220
Ancient Aliens

692
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:26,039
um theory that these people came from I

693
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:28,440
mean it's it's so complex so because on

694
00:31:33,169 --> 00:31:30,059
the one hand you have the idea of the

695
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,179
superior ancestors the other in the 19th

696
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,799
century we have theories like this one

697
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:36,960
about how the extraterrestrials were

698
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,940
actually the Aborigines of Australia and

699
00:31:42,669 --> 00:31:40,799
they're far inferior to us there's

700
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:42,679
someone obsession with inferiority

701
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:46,500
superiority race and it's throughout

702
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:49,679
that period and in a sense what we what

703
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,640
we experiencing or experiencing today is

704
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:55,740
just the Echoes of all of that that

705
00:32:03,470 --> 00:31:59,880
survived over time and reached us

706
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,480
it's a fascinating fascinating point and

707
00:32:06,830 --> 00:32:06,059
and and Incredibly relevant you know I

708
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,840
mean

709
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:08,640
people talk about how if you don't know

710
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:10,260
your history you're doomed to repeat it

711
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:13,799
and situations like this we we could it

712
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:16,980
you know it would be easy to say like oh

713
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:19,620
well these days we we would never think

714
00:32:25,789 --> 00:32:22,679
that Australia fell from the sky we

715
00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:25,799
wouldn't fall prey to similar uh similar

716
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:27,779
assertions like that and at the same

717
00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:30,059
time you know there's just people that

718
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:33,480
say the Earth is flat yeah sure yeah and

719
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,840
also in the 1970s sorry in the 1970s

720
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,340
there were so many books on ancient

721
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:40,559
astronauts published one of them said

722
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,380
that the Israelites probably have alien

723
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:48,830
on ancient astronauts on the from the

724
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,179
same period W Raymond Drake a British

725
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,760
author who wrote God's in Spaceman here

726
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:56,039
and there uh he says that um that maybe

727
00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:58,020
we have Martian blood in our in our

728
00:33:01,570 --> 00:32:59,640
veins

729
00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:01,580
um there's so much

730
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:03,779
he talks about

731
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,360
um in the Indian tribe that's so unusual

732
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:08,399
that it seems that they've also come

733
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:10,500
from another planet is not something

734
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:14,100
that they don't have that

735
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:16,200
it's a it's an interesting idea also

736
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:18,659
because you know there are people like

737
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:21,779
Dr Gary Nolan and others that are that

738
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,659
are starting to wonder about whether

739
00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:27,600
there are any kind of anything that can

740
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:29,640
be found in our genetic record that

741
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:30,899
might

742
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,419
give any Credence to the idea of

743
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,480
manipulation over the years whether and

744
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,600
trying to read our DNA our RNA however

745
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:41,760
that could be done kind of like tree

746
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:43,740
rings a little bit more as has been done

747
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:46,200
by mainstream science for many years and

748
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:48,539
wondering if there's any clues that that

749
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:49,980
of

750
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,179
and it's it's frustrating to think that

751
00:34:01,009 --> 00:33:57,360
that in the future because of situations

752
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:01,019
like that where blatant racism and and

753
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:02,279
just kind of

754
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:05,159
um and these these Odd Ideas took root

755
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:08,580
that it might make it might muddy the

756
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:11,760
waters with actual situations that can

757
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:14,220
be backed up by science in the future

758
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,980
yeah what what I've done in this book is

759
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,780
basically maybe not to fight so I'm

760
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:20,879
trying to do is to show people the

761
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:23,460
socio-cultural

762
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:27,119
um impact the belief in Aliens has had

763
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:30,179
and how a lot of our ideas might have

764
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:33,480
evolved from from fictions invented in

765
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:35,820
that period it doesn't it doesn't mean

766
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:38,099
that UFOs don't exist it doesn't mean

767
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:40,139
we've never been visited by aliens I

768
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:43,560
have no idea greatly have but it does

769
00:34:50,290 --> 00:34:46,639
mean that a lot of our our current

770
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:50,300
preconceptions stories myth myths

771
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,679
knowledge about what aliens look like

772
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:54,960
and behave and so on that might well

773
00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:57,300
have been born in in fictions from the

774
00:35:02,089 --> 00:34:59,220
19th century we just have to be very

775
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:02,099
careful and with this book I just want

776
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:04,260
to make I want to make people aware of

777
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,300
what there was before

778
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:09,359
to be able to judge better and what we

779
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:12,540
have today otherwise there's just no way

780
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,460
it's no different than anything else

781
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:16,800
right I mean if you want to learn chess

782
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:18,780
or if you want to learn a sport or or

783
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:21,960
whatever you have to start somewhere and

784
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:23,880
where do you start you start with you

785
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:25,320
know

786
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,220
have already done it before so you can

787
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,680
take that knowledge along with you and

788
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:33,900
you know begin to perfect whatever it is

789
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:35,940
that you want to perfect so to not do

790
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,800
that with the apology to just throw out

791
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,320
the history is

792
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:42,780
um really ridiculous especially coming

793
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:45,540
from the point of where I've looked at a

794
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:48,119
lot of the history and I see reoccurring

795
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,000
themes and you know the same kind of

796
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,000
things happening over and over again

797
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:56,160
and it's quite frustrating because a lot

798
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,900
of other people don't

799
00:36:02,030 --> 00:35:59,700
I don't know if they realize it or they

800
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:02,040
just tune it out and don't care or or

801
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:03,900
whatever and there are also differences

802
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:06,599
now but between the past two you know so

803
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,040
so I don't want to say it's all the same

804
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,980
but the but the major you know points

805
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:13,200
are are kind of the same

806
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,579
um so

807
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:17,760
yeah it's very it's very interesting

808
00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:18,599
um

809
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,380
one thing I was

810
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:24,000
one thing I wanted to get into if you

811
00:36:26,569 --> 00:36:25,079
don't mind

812
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:26,579
um

813
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,040
you talked about a sighting that you had

814
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,079
and I heard on this last interview that

815
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:36,000
you did

816
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:38,460
and I was wondering if you care to tell

817
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:40,619
that story and then also if you've ever

818
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:41,940
heard of any

819
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,339
um other sightings with rectangles in it

820
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:46,079
because I can think of one but I'm not

821
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:50,640
sure if you know of any I'm sure you do

822
00:36:57,010 --> 00:36:55,800
um yeah so on the 6th of April 1996 I

823
00:37:00,250 --> 00:36:57,020
was in

824
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:04,630
now it's a region of Spain pretty rural

825
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,339
disconnected from the world and

826
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,839
um it's

827
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:11,640
um I was with about six or seven people

828
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:14,820
we suddenly saw what literally looked

829
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:17,940
like a sort of orange rectangle of a

830
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:21,119
luminous orange rectangle and

831
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:24,119
um I said to them hey what thing that

832
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:25,980
might be and they said oh well that

833
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:28,740
could be anything which I've found quite

834
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,300
amusing and then another person said oh

835
00:37:35,089 --> 00:37:32,720
that must be a satellite

836
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:35,099
satellite it wasn't moving it was just a

837
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,560
rectangle another person said that must

838
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:38,880
be

839
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:49,500
Village and so on and then suddenly the

840
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:52,560
light when out like a light bulb I saw

841
00:37:57,290 --> 00:37:55,320
it go out and then it appeared a few

842
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:57,300
minutes later in a completely different

843
00:38:01,730 --> 00:37:59,460
part of the sky and it was exactly the

844
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:01,740
same thing it was an orange rectangle

845
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,440
and I said well they moved that Tower

846
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,720
very quickly didn't they and um

847
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:08,880
obviously it wasn't that there's no

848
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,160
information and I've spent many many

849
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,480
years

850
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:14,160
um looking for an explanation for it

851
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:17,640
I've consulted a lot of ufologists some

852
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:21,540
of the tools that I that I use myself to

853
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,900
calculate star positions and it's not a

854
00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:27,240
star so I have nothing to do on really

855
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:30,599
and we're talking about 1996 which is a

856
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:34,440
time before drones and batteries which

857
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,700
you're powerful enough to keep them up

858
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:37,740
there anyway for that amount of time

859
00:38:42,589 --> 00:38:39,900
God knows what it was it I mean really

860
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,599
it's um it was a bit of a mystery but

861
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:45,359
um what it means to me is that it puts

862
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:48,960
me in the category of UFO witness which

863
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,540
um does change my my view on things at

864
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,280
that point I was pretty skeptical I

865
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,800
didn't know what I want to believe uh I

866
00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:57,480
I think this was either just before or

867
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:00,599
just after uh Jacobs published his uh

868
00:39:04,849 --> 00:39:02,460
secret life and this kind of thing and I

869
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:04,859
I was beginning to make connections

870
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:07,020
between fairies and this and that but I

871
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:09,480
wasn't really sure when I saw that I

872
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,980
thought oh my God maybe it is all true

873
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:12,960
you know

874
00:39:19,069 --> 00:39:16,200
um then a couple of months later one of

875
00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:19,079
the local UF magazines uh published an

876
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:21,480
article that said a sort of rectangle

877
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,540
orange UFO had been seen But in a very

878
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:26,940
different part of Spain another thing

879
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:28,500
that I haven't mentioned in in other

880
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:31,859
interviews was that many years later uh

881
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,820
a TV company wanted me to go back to the

882
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:38,160
town where I started my life in Spain

883
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:41,099
called Catherines and to just sort of

884
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:43,020
walk around the street telling them how

885
00:39:47,569 --> 00:39:46,020
I ended up then and they said well while

886
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,579
we're here we're going to visit a family

887
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,440
that lives in a nearby Village called

888
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,079
Trujillo uh because they're also saw a

889
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,720
UFO uh in the end these two brothers

890
00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:56,880
didn't want to appear on TV I'd never

891
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,400
heard of this case but later on I looked

892
00:40:03,490 --> 00:40:02,040
it up and they also saw what they saw on

893
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:03,500
the 6th of April

894
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:06,119
1996. it would have been an amazing new

895
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,800
incident that it kind of appeared in

896
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:09,359
their house to interview them about this

897
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,359
but it was a period of time when these

898
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:15,420
things were happening quite a lot uh for

899
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,020
some reason in 1996 then cases of

900
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:21,660
rectangular refers I think the first

901
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:24,900
case we ever published uh we were posted

902
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:27,660
through Magonia exchange involved a

903
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:29,579
rectangular light scene in the sky

904
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:31,560
that's just a coincidence it was it was

905
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:33,960
white and it happened in a little town

906
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:37,320
in Ohio and a few years ago I went there

907
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,060
just to take photo of the Town there's

908
00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:42,180
nothing to see but um yeah rectangles in

909
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:44,280
the sky I don't know what that means

910
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:47,460
yeah I don't think anybody does really

911
00:40:53,810 --> 00:40:51,359
but uh Clyde Tomball the guy who

912
00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:53,820
uh first discovered Pluto he saw

913
00:40:58,970 --> 00:40:55,500
rectangle UFOs

914
00:41:03,650 --> 00:40:58,980
so that's my that's my rectangle UFO

915
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:06,290
did you have a question one one thing

916
00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:09,500
very quickly just to mention oh sure

917
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,540
flying coffins throughout the 19th

918
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:14,400
century beginning of the 20th century

919
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,339
the massive number of stories that I've

920
00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:20,880
got about people seeing coffins often

921
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:22,040
illuminated

922
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:25,260
of flying in the sky but we're talking

923
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:27,240
about hundreds of stories of coffins

924
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,820
coffins were basically rectangular at

925
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:31,500
that point so

926
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:38,210
that's fascinating yeah and it always I

927
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,859
mean it so often comes down to the

928
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:43,440
issues of terminology right because as

929
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,720
people have have often pointed out like

930
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:48,240
you know people say oh the Tic Tac was

931
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,820
only reported after you know David

932
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:52,680
fraver or something like that but then

933
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,900
other people point out well they used to

934
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:57,000
call them flying butane tanks or you

935
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:58,740
know things like this right or flying

936
00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:01,260
cigars that that there's that they're

937
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,720
that they're often these people were

938
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:05,940
just referencing common household items

939
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,260
that they'd find right around them so

940
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,720
yeah actually yeah and then and

941
00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:11,640
similarly a flying coffin that makes so

942
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:20,810
they're called in Brazil I think they're

943
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,400
also rectangular fridge looking things

944
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:26,160
right that's right there is that there

945
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:28,740
is that big case in Brazil that involves

946
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:29,640
those

947
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,500
um not the one that James Fox just

948
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,960
talked about but a different one Claris

949
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:36,000
maybe or something I forget what it was

950
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:40,970
yeah

951
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:44,400
let's see now alien artifacts volume 1

952
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:47,940
covers the period of time from about uh

953
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:50,940
from Antiquity to 1880. now Antiquity is

954
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:52,859
a broad span of time that many take to

955
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:55,740
mean the period from about 3000 BC to

956
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:58,680
the early mid old ages so in that broad

957
00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:01,380
span of time in human development what

958
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,300
are a couple of cases that are some of

959
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,520
your personal favorites

960
00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:08,160
okay well

961
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:11,240
um we have to remember that the these

962
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:14,640
associate cultural uh background to all

963
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:16,440
of this when people began to believe in

964
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,060
aliens whereas wonders in the society

965
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,880
have the actual sightings so to look for

966
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:22,680
a sign thing I would probably go to

967
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,859
either wonders in the sky or to the the

968
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:27,480
next books I'm going to publish on this

969
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:28,980
series

970
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:34,380
very interested in at the moment uh

971
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,740
involves these star these sort of round

972
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:41,040
lines which surrounded by little dots of

973
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,800
lights and the reason I'm interested in

974
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,200
these uh on the one hand is because

975
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:48,240
they've been repeated constantly through

976
00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:50,760
history the idea of a white of a sort of

977
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:53,720
round thing and surrounded by satellite

978
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,020
objects and uh I have 17 cases let's say

979
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,480
and secondly because there is absolutely

980
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,200
no astronomical or meteorological

981
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:05,280
explanation for them they have to be

982
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:07,319
something us but I don't care what they

983
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,260
were but how to do something else so

984
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,359
um let's see I have um

985
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:15,119
some you know I'll I'll read Apple to

986
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:16,980
you if you want and uh you can tell me

987
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:19,500
what you think so

988
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,750
um oh this one's from Spain so it says

989
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,040
on the on the 19th of October at a

990
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,960
quarter past seven in the evening an

991
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,359
extraordinary phenomenon was was here a

992
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:35,760
sun and the Seven Stars appeared in the

993
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:37,740
atmosphere and their light illuminated

994
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,380
the whole city the Stars Then United

995
00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:42,720
themselves the sun and the whole

996
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:47,099
disappeared so that was from 1816 for

997
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,079
example

998
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:50,520
uh then

999
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:53,760
um another one here where it says

1000
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:54,900
um

1001
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:58,500
they saw Stars this is from 1880 again

1002
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:02,640
uh see a crown or a circle of fireballs

1003
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:05,720
in Rapid rotation comes into view

1004
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,240
and then it increases in brilliancy and

1005
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:12,079
becomes better defined as it advances

1006
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:15,599
and then it it disappears and the person

1007
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:17,579
who saw it right into this paper saying

1008
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:19,980
what was that and that was like um 71

1009
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:23,040
years later from the first one then I

1010
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:25,500
had one from 1801 which is there just

1011
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:27,180
even older

1012
00:45:36,250 --> 00:45:31,140
um it says that um an object on June the

1013
00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:36,260
19th in Hull in England and it's a

1014
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:39,380
it was a light was since

1015
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:43,319
focusing moons or Globes of fire which

1016
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:45,000
disappeared for the space of a few

1017
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:47,819
seconds and then it reappeared very

1018
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,280
brilliantly as a kind of Flash and then

1019
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:53,099
there were five circular balls and then

1020
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,780
all kinds of things so what we're

1021
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:56,880
looking at here is very very similar

1022
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:59,880
phenomenon again and again and again uh

1023
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:01,140
here's another one

1024
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,160
um from 1840. because

1025
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,160
um some reliable natives reported to me

1026
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,839
they had seen that morning in the north

1027
00:46:12,849 --> 00:46:11,460
a little before Sunrise a strange

1028
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,859
phenomenon

1029
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:15,359
extraordinary appearance of being

1030
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:17,700
closely encircled by a number of other

1031
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:20,760
stars of the ordinary appearance and

1032
00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:23,400
then it talks about surprises I had

1033
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,319
about 17 like this and what we're

1034
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,660
talking about then is something which is

1035
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,880
basically inexplicable and

1036
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:32,640
scientifically very interesting and I do

1037
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,920
have some Modern sightings of a very

1038
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:36,240
similar thing

1039
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,900
[Music]

1040
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:38,160
um

1041
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:39,660
I don't know I don't know what to make

1042
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,119
I'm I'm fascinated sounds like a

1043
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:48,370
I'm just kidding

1044
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:51,240
well yeah could be I guess right uh

1045
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:53,339
Elite satellites uh but no it's

1046
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,740
interesting hearing you tell those cases

1047
00:46:59,950 --> 00:46:57,960
yeah I mean

1048
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,960
it sounds so familiar

1049
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:02,400
throughout history that's the thing you

1050
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,260
know this is what interests me they just

1051
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:06,000
come back it's very difficult to find

1052
00:47:10,849 --> 00:47:09,240
UFO group throughout history because I

1053
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:10,859
mean it's very difficult to find two

1054
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:14,960
YouTube videos of the same UFO so to

1055
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:18,420
find the same idea repeated with you

1056
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:21,060
know 80 year intervals 50-year intervals

1057
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,579
that sounds pretty weird there's a

1058
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:25,500
there's a story that I mentioned the

1059
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:27,000
other day

1060
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,200
um about

1061
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:30,780
um around battle Chara that was dragged

1062
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,819
through main Square in Prague I could

1063
00:47:36,589 --> 00:47:34,800
read that too if

1064
00:47:38,349 --> 00:47:36,599
and then you can interpret it for me

1065
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:38,359
yeah sure

1066
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:40,200
thank you

1067
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:44,940
this is from uh 1571 and

1068
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:46,980
um it says at about midnight there was a

1069
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:48,839
great wind over Prague that made such a

1070
00:47:54,589 --> 00:47:50,579
rumbling noise and it sounded like an

1071
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,599
earthquake the people woke up uh with a

1072
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:56,460
start and turned and hurry to their

1073
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:59,160
windows and they looked out on the

1074
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,560
Square and they saw an army come along

1075
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:03,780
the street and the soldiers were

1076
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:06,780
carrying weapons and

1077
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:07,800
um

1078
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,220
they they were dragging with them a

1079
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:14,160
large round Chariot drawn by an Oxford

1080
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:16,619
in fact and he was making a terribly

1081
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:20,160
loud noise it was made of metal wheels

1082
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:22,020
so you can imagine a big round object

1083
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,560
being scraping along along the road

1084
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,160
um eight large human figures

1085
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,660
and they looked frightful because they

1086
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:32,579
had no faces

1087
00:48:37,390 --> 00:48:34,740
um but they wore enormous Spurs on their

1088
00:48:41,089 --> 00:48:37,400
feet which added to the noise

1089
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,099
once they crossed the square a great

1090
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:43,680
fire appeared on the ground then

1091
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:47,460
suddenly the whole thing disappeared and

1092
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:49,980
then it says right at the end

1093
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:52,140
um however a luminous object could be

1094
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:54,359
made out in the air the circle of fire

1095
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:58,319
that persisted until dawn so you get the

1096
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:01,740
idea of somehow soldiers become a big

1097
00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:04,500
round object which is yeah waking

1098
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,260
everybody up and then

1099
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:08,880
the Air Force got involved and it

1100
00:49:14,569 --> 00:49:12,839
disappeared yeah exactly yeah so you

1101
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:14,579
know I mean there are lots and lots of

1102
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:17,099
stories of that kind that's incredible

1103
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:19,980
that is That's a classic crashed saucer

1104
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:21,060
case

1105
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:23,700
it sounds so much like you know and you

1106
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:25,380
see the Army come up they rope

1107
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:26,700
everything off and they take it with

1108
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:29,880
them yeah it's it's uh the same thing

1109
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,619
the only difference I guess is that it

1110
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:34,079
turned into a ball of fire and kind of

1111
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,060
seemed to take off upwards towards this

1112
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:38,640
guy which is pretty interesting

1113
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:39,900
absolutely

1114
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:41,819
um I was looking something that was

1115
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:52,069
before I forget I think that's

1116
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,420
interesting I hope we can touch on this

1117
00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:56,720
um because I remember you discussing how

1118
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:00,540
uh a lot of sightings I forget

1119
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:03,060
maybe early 1800s or something but they

1120
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:04,560
started popping off after the first

1121
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:06,780
balloon basically so it could be

1122
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,040
interesting

1123
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:10,800
well actually yeah I mean um mystery

1124
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:13,800
balloons there's about 200 years of of

1125
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:15,780
mystery balloon sighting starting from

1126
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:17,880
the late

1127
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:21,359
were invented I mean just a few months

1128
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:22,500
after

1129
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:23,220
um

1130
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:25,500
the first balloons were invented in

1131
00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:28,680
France suddenly uh um

1132
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:33,260
somebody wrote for a newspaper out a

1133
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:37,380
mysterious balloon a golden balloon that

1134
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:41,339
was that actually landed in Tenerife and

1135
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:43,260
when it lands and this is this is truly

1136
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:47,700
from 1784 and when it lands these uh

1137
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,160
creatures come out from the planet or

1138
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:52,380
from the Moon and they interact with the

1139
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:54,300
people so we're talking about

1140
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:57,180
um a close encounter from the from the

1141
00:51:02,089 --> 00:50:59,460
from the late 18th Street just after

1142
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:02,099
balloons were invented and from that

1143
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,740
point on the whole topic of mystery

1144
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:07,020
balloons it's never ever ended you have

1145
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,260
that right here in the 1870s then it was

1146
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:12,420
mystery the mystery balloons of the

1147
00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:15,780
1880s became the mystery airships from

1148
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:18,420
seven years later 16 years later you

1149
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,559
said that you were looking at the

1150
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:22,559
Airship wave for example well the first

1151
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:26,819
ever scoring about in this year in 1896

1152
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:30,300
was just a copy of

1153
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:32,460
um one that was published in 1880 all

1154
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,980
they did was they just updated details

1155
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,200
slightly to make it more technological

1156
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,359
for the time but it was just a copy of

1157
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:41,280
the same story and it took out a few

1158
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:44,040
details he had some others but it's it's

1159
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:46,500
still meant that um that people became

1160
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,359
more aware even if that was a hoax

1161
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,400
people became more aware of the

1162
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,619
possibility that they would see and

1163
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:55,520
airships flying around in the in the

1164
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:59,640
1890s in America and

1165
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,640
um the idea of CF was in the sky was

1166
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:04,559
normalized people went out and had

1167
00:52:09,849 --> 00:52:06,599
Airship parties which today would be

1168
00:52:12,109 --> 00:52:09,859
called UFO alert parties or UFO spotters

1169
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:12,119
couldn't make notes and they'd take

1170
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,280
photographs and they'd talk about it and

1171
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:16,079
published results the next day in the

1172
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:18,660
newspaper there's just so much of that

1173
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:21,839
in vulnerable it's just you know insane

1174
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:24,599
then I was looking for one um a little

1175
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,000
bit about uh similar to um to what's

1176
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,819
been seen recently and um other than the

1177
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:31,440
one I published on Twitter the other day

1178
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:34,260
there's one that was published in Dutch

1179
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,859
from 1932. I can read it if you want to

1180
00:52:40,730 --> 00:52:39,780
it's very short

1181
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:40,740
yeah

1182
00:52:44,690 --> 00:52:42,599
it says

1183
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:44,700
um a few nights ago a strange natural

1184
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,700
phenomenon occurred in Delhi

1185
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:50,160
um at the height of a coconut tree there

1186
00:52:56,349 --> 00:52:51,720
appeared in the evening at nine o'clock

1187
00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:56,359
around white sphere which Lucia

1188
00:53:01,849 --> 00:52:59,700
continued to hang emitting fiery rays in

1189
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:01,859
this case and it was there for half an

1190
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:03,720
hour it was a big group of people and

1191
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,420
multitude looking in amazement and

1192
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:08,400
confusion and then it suddenly

1193
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,440
disappeared nobody knows what the

1194
00:53:14,049 --> 00:53:11,599
meaning of

1195
00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:14,059
uh obviously

1196
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,619
and then it goes on to speculative it

1197
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:19,440
might be Chinese it says

1198
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:22,800
um the other activity might be Oriental

1199
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:25,980
the time but the Chinese says that they

1200
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:28,980
have that their explanation was that it

1201
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:31,500
was a it was an omen about the Japanese

1202
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:33,660
and how the Japanese would soon be

1203
00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:36,300
defeated in battle but the point is that

1204
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:39,180
it's a balloon and there's a connection

1205
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:41,940
there with China's big white sphere and

1206
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:44,880
so on this is just so common it's well I

1207
00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:47,400
mean recent news is just

1208
00:53:51,290 --> 00:53:49,980
um very very similar to what we're

1209
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:51,300
reporting for

1210
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,370
well let me ask you this real quick

1211
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:00,900
are there any other parallels that

1212
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,020
you've noticed from now to you know back

1213
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:06,720
several hundred years other than you

1214
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:09,420
know physical characteristics of the the

1215
00:54:16,089 --> 00:54:12,180
objects whether it be people's emotional

1216
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:16,099
responses or you know have any like

1217
00:54:22,190 --> 00:54:18,599
governments or or people in control

1218
00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:22,200
maybe using the mythology of it to have

1219
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,119
control over the people anything like

1220
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,160
that

1221
00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:28,559
um well the earliest case of

1222
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:30,839
um theoretical government intervention

1223
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:34,380
that is to say a cover-up comes from the

1224
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:38,220
1870s oddly enough and um this is all

1225
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,579
about an engineer called Fred Birmingham

1226
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:43,920
who I believe was from Wales originally

1227
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:47,520
and he was living in Parramatta in

1228
00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:50,220
Australia and he had a dream one night

1229
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,220
all of this he he wrote down in a book

1230
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:54,960
which is totally authentic even though

1231
00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:57,480
we've lost we've lost it today

1232
00:55:02,530 --> 00:54:59,819
um called the memorandum book and his

1233
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:02,540
dream he saw this strange

1234
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,680
spaceship do you have to call it

1235
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:06,240
something

1236
00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:09,000
um that landed uh just outside his house

1237
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:12,420
it would be in the 1860s and

1238
00:55:19,569 --> 00:55:15,720
um an entity invited him aboard showed

1239
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:19,579
him how the how the Airship works

1240
00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:22,440
and things he was All Amazed and he

1241
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:25,020
wrote it all down and then what he did

1242
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:28,020
he spent rest of his life trying to

1243
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:31,260
reconstruct the the ship that he had

1244
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:32,099
seen

1245
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:36,000
so he spent decades trying to to rebuild

1246
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,040
this and he was an engineer so he'd

1247
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:40,319
sense that they would choose him I mean

1248
00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:42,900
whether it was a dream or not is

1249
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,240
difficult to determine because at that

1250
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:48,480
time during the Socialist movement there

1251
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,339
was a lot of confusion about whether

1252
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,160
dreams were actually reality where the

1253
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,680
reality was real all this kind of anyway

1254
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:57,359
so

1255
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,920
um he spent many years trying to do this

1256
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:01,200
and convince people that he had a secret

1257
00:56:07,089 --> 00:56:05,040
flight long before the the

1258
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:07,099
ground then

1259
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,020
he he couldn't get anyone to pay

1260
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,000
attention to him so he went to the

1261
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,400
states and he spent several years

1262
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:16,260
wandering around the United States

1263
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:19,020
trying to show people that he had the

1264
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:21,300
secret to man and he got this from a

1265
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,579
Dream from this entity blah blah blah he

1266
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,920
ended up in some kind of

1267
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:28,319
um dos house some horrible place where

1268
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,800
he was almost dead and in total poverty

1269
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:33,660
and he rescued by his friends back in

1270
00:56:40,609 --> 00:56:37,440
Australia but um so he died without ever

1271
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:40,619
realizing his his dream but one thing he

1272
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:43,500
did say was that he believed that the

1273
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:47,460
British government hadn't allowed him to

1274
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:51,540
to publish findings or convince anybody

1275
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,079
because he because Queen Victoria would

1276
00:57:03,650 --> 00:56:58,559
have not liked this uh this technology

1277
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:04,910
so if

1278
00:57:08,349 --> 00:57:06,839
it's very interesting

1279
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:08,359
with finally one of the earliest

1280
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:10,500
conspiracies that you'll never find in

1281
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:19,010
that is incredible that's amazing I love

1282
00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:19,920
that

1283
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,460
other one other kind of persnickety

1284
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:27,599
detail-oriented case before maybe we

1285
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:30,359
zoom out and ask a couple a big picture

1286
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:32,220
questions before as we finish up here

1287
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:33,180
today

1288
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:34,740
um I did notice

1289
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,740
um that today actually we are talking

1290
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:39,839
about the 200th anniversary of kind of

1291
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:42,420
the Ancient Aliens hypothesis the

1292
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:44,460
Ancient Aliens Theory uh that you were

1293
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:47,160
mentioning earlier and today February

1294
00:57:53,569 --> 00:57:51,540
22nd 2023 is actually the 220th

1295
00:57:55,490 --> 00:57:53,579
anniversary of a fascinating and

1296
00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:55,500
slippery case that you covered in

1297
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:57,960
wonders in the sky interestingly it has

1298
00:58:02,450 --> 00:57:59,940
a little bit of a rhyme here in history

1299
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:02,460
and that earlier this week uh Tim

1300
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,240
McMillan posted a video of this kind of

1301
00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:09,119
strange Acorn shaped

1302
00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:11,460
um uh it looks kind of like a like a

1303
00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:12,780
buoy or something like that they're

1304
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:15,240
washed ashore in Japan uh it's probably

1305
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:17,460
very prosaic but it got a lot of media

1306
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:19,020
attention maybe partially because of

1307
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,760
these balloon shoots that have happened

1308
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:22,920
and now the people are on high alert and

1309
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:24,359
there's this very much this kind of like

1310
00:58:27,730 --> 00:58:26,280
oh the sauce or fever gets kicked off

1311
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:27,740
man

1312
00:58:34,210 --> 00:58:30,540
if you see something say something but

1313
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:34,220
interestingly so so today 220 years ago

1314
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:37,260
there was a case involving a

1315
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:40,260
saucer-shaped ship that landed ashore in

1316
00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:42,839
Japan and you know there are there are

1317
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:45,720
several drawings of it and everything I

1318
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,780
know right and and again it had an

1319
00:58:53,329 --> 00:58:51,359
occupant in it so I was wondering and

1320
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,339
interestingly there's kind of a slippery

1321
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,400
element where you found a connection to

1322
00:59:00,829 --> 00:58:58,319
Japanese folklore in the history of

1323
00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:00,839
Japanese folklore uh with regard to this

1324
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,760
specific case can you talk to us a

1325
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:04,559
little bit about about that case in

1326
00:59:09,250 --> 00:59:05,460
Japan

1327
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,260
yeah it's um it was called

1328
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:12,000
which is also known as the as the hollow

1329
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,599
ship and it was an object which one to

1330
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:18,480
show uh in Itachi in the country

1331
00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:21,660
Province on the eastern coast of Japan

1332
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:24,980
in in 1803 so yeah it's an anniversary

1333
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:29,160
and the vision discovered inside an

1334
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:31,859
attractive young woman who had

1335
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,760
um supposedly European uh features and

1336
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:37,859
um she couldn't communicate in in

1337
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:40,559
Japanese at all then the fisherman

1338
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,119
returned her to to her her vessel and it

1339
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:48,240
just drifted away in the sea and this

1340
00:59:53,049 --> 00:59:51,599
has been talked about uh for a very very

1341
00:59:57,370 --> 00:59:53,059
very long time

1342
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:57,380
by folklorists and ufologists

1343
01:00:00,289 --> 00:59:58,980
and

1344
01:00:03,049 --> 01:00:00,299
um there's been a lot of speculation

1345
01:00:06,109 --> 01:00:03,059
maybe it's someone of a Russian origin

1346
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:06,119
uh maybe it was uh based on on

1347
01:00:12,530 --> 01:00:09,599
immigration of some kind uh so yeah it's

1348
01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:12,540
a very it's a very nice little story

1349
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,700
um we have to be very careful with this

1350
01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:16,440
kind of tale

1351
01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:18,299
um firstly

1352
01:00:24,289 --> 01:00:21,480
um it wasn't written down enough decades

1353
01:00:27,530 --> 01:00:24,299
so so whatever details we have is about

1354
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:27,540
as a reliable as a a four-year-old

1355
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:30,540
Roswell witness I suppose

1356
01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:32,280
um then

1357
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,920
um it's probably something that's been

1358
01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:36,720
embellished a lot over time because

1359
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,579
there are lots of different versions of

1360
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,799
it the first version actually didn't

1361
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:43,200
didn't have a dome but but the nicest

1362
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,140
pictures do look very much like a flying

1363
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:49,200
saucer that is totally

1364
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:51,000
um there were no official records of it

1365
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:53,160
ever happening

1366
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:56,819
um and there are other tales in Japan of

1367
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:00,299
women uh beautiful women appearing and

1368
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,020
very strange circumstances so I mean

1369
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:06,720
it's a very very nice little tale

1370
01:01:13,609 --> 01:01:09,960
um I I wouldn't say it's

1371
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:13,619
um a real UFO story but the picture has

1372
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:15,900
I mean it is on Facebook all the time

1373
01:01:21,289 --> 01:01:18,420
because it just looks so much like a

1374
01:01:25,370 --> 01:01:21,299
flying saucer so yeah it's um it's

1375
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,380
really nice and yeah February 22nd is is

1376
01:01:30,349 --> 01:01:27,839
a date that's been been associated with

1377
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:30,359
it a lot uh but I have to say too that

1378
01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:33,000
uh February the 22nd is also the

1379
01:01:42,430 --> 01:01:37,020
anniversary of another story uh from

1380
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,440
from 1922 so yeah we're getting up down

1381
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:45,839
this is this is about uh William lamb I

1382
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:46,980
don't know if you've ever heard of

1383
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,420
William lamb

1384
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:50,400
I don't think so

1385
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:53,099
he's one of those forgotten very very

1386
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:54,299
old

1387
01:02:01,809 --> 01:01:57,420
um UFO Witnesses he's in he's in valleys

1388
01:02:05,329 --> 01:02:01,819
but and the idea is that um uh sea land

1389
01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:05,339
uh was following these uh strange tracks

1390
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:09,240
in the countryside uh in Nebraska yeah a

1391
01:02:14,930 --> 01:02:11,700
high-pitched sound and then he saw this

1392
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:14,940
uh a bright light that landed in our in

1393
01:02:18,650 --> 01:02:17,760
a hollow and then there was a creature

1394
01:02:19,809 --> 01:02:18,660
like

1395
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:19,819
um

1396
01:02:26,049 --> 01:02:24,000
giant creature and it was flying and uh

1397
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:26,059
basically it was a UFO

1398
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:30,000
and then he published this in in 1954 in

1399
01:02:35,329 --> 01:02:33,780
the in sorcerian magazine and uh I was I

1400
01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:35,339
was researching this case for very long

1401
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:37,559
time because he claimed that this was

1402
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:40,559
actually a story that was published in

1403
01:02:44,930 --> 01:02:43,140
1922 in the newspapers I could never

1404
01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:44,940
ever find it

1405
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:46,440
um but

1406
01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:49,380
um yeah in the end I actually managed to

1407
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:50,940
get all of his car a lot of his

1408
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:54,180
correspondence from the Roswell Zoo that

1409
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,339
actually had had it all they sent me

1410
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:58,319
photo copies of it and I still have it

1411
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:00,119
and it's very very interesting at least

1412
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:01,440
we know

1413
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:04,799
um of the first alleged witness of the

1414
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:06,420
20th century he really was on there

1415
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:08,040
where there were other ones but he's one

1416
01:03:11,710 --> 01:03:10,140
of these people and that happened on

1417
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:11,720
President's Day

1418
01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:16,380
2019 1922 and then there are lots of

1419
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,579
other other weird things about him

1420
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:19,680
because he also um before all of this

1421
01:03:24,589 --> 01:03:21,020
happened

1422
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:24,599
he used to take photographs of space and

1423
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:26,280
the stars to see if he could work out

1424
01:03:29,890 --> 01:03:28,799
where it got her own was almost in sort

1425
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:29,900
of more money

1426
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:33,660
with uh kolob and and so on and he would

1427
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:35,579
actually go to trade fairs trying to

1428
01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:38,040
sell this special telescope that he'd

1429
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:41,460
invented and allow you to see God and

1430
01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:43,980
Beyond and and whatever he actually

1431
01:03:49,250 --> 01:03:46,740
coincided with the woman who invented

1432
01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:49,260
the the path with those little bit

1433
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:51,299
suckers underneath that you put in a in

1434
01:03:56,450 --> 01:03:54,079
a bathtub stop to stop you slipping over

1435
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:56,460
he's got all these little anecdotes with

1436
01:04:00,609 --> 01:03:58,740
a story I published it several years ago

1437
01:04:03,950 --> 01:04:00,619
and

1438
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:03,960
so yeah today February the 22nd we got

1439
01:04:15,370 --> 01:04:07,319
the the Japanese girl and we have

1440
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:17,930
thank you so much I really appreciate

1441
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,780
that

1442
01:04:23,390 --> 01:04:20,160
Sean do you have another question for

1443
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,069
you know this is kind of silly I guess

1444
01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:27,359
but I I was just thinking about you know

1445
01:04:31,789 --> 01:04:29,940
before we had basic knowledge of uh you

1446
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:31,799
know the universe or astrology or

1447
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:34,799
anything like what I wonder what people

1448
01:04:39,770 --> 01:04:38,280
thought stars were in the moon you know

1449
01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:39,780
like what

1450
01:04:45,049 --> 01:04:42,180
can can you imagine like looking at all

1451
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,059
that and just completely not having any

1452
01:04:51,130 --> 01:04:48,240
idea of what they are you know or where

1453
01:04:54,829 --> 01:04:51,140
you are basically like

1454
01:04:57,849 --> 01:04:54,839
racism things or what things

1455
01:05:00,589 --> 01:04:57,859
like stars or the moon you know

1456
01:05:02,809 --> 01:05:00,599
yeah yeah but like

1457
01:05:05,329 --> 01:05:02,819
just before anybody knew what stars were

1458
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:05,339
or the moon was or our place in the

1459
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,079
universe looking up at this stuff's like

1460
01:05:12,049 --> 01:05:08,960
what are these things

1461
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:12,059
I mean they're they're a much clearer a

1462
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:14,520
long long time ago than than just a long

1463
01:05:17,930 --> 01:05:16,200
time ago so if you go back to ancient

1464
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:17,940
Greece I had a pretty good idea about

1465
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:19,980
the universe worked and that's where

1466
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:22,799
they come up with they came up with the

1467
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:30,289
yeah because they actually believed uh

1468
01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:32,520
for a period of time that um all

1469
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:35,579
material consisted of atoms tiny

1470
01:05:38,990 --> 01:05:37,260
particles they didn't have a microscope

1471
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:39,000
to prove it so it wasn't a very

1472
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:41,819
long-lived Theory but

1473
01:05:47,809 --> 01:05:44,400
um at the time they they thought that if

1474
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,819
Antics were together to create arson to

1475
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:49,440
create the things that we see and have

1476
01:05:54,109 --> 01:05:52,380
then this probably has happened all over

1477
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:54,119
the universe and has been implicated

1478
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:56,220
everywhere which means that aliens must

1479
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,980
exist either similar to us or copies of

1480
01:06:02,569 --> 01:06:00,720
us or whatever Elsewhere on other

1481
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:02,579
planets now that was their original

1482
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:05,280
belief that's that's an alien artifacts

1483
01:06:10,910 --> 01:06:08,400
too that right at the beginning then

1484
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:10,920
um this the idea of the moon for example

1485
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,980
people are very clear about the moon and

1486
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:16,079
at least the moon for a very long period

1487
01:06:20,329 --> 01:06:18,420
And so there were lots of stories of

1488
01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:20,339
people coming down from them there were

1489
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:23,880
lots of drinking too about about the man

1490
01:06:27,529 --> 01:06:25,859
who came down from the Moon and has this

1491
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,539
and has bad new drinks that apparently

1492
01:06:33,970 --> 01:06:30,079
he was addicted to drinking wine

1493
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,980
they put the lashes on the moon

1494
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:36,480
there were lots of pubs in Shakespeare's

1495
01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:38,099
time called the man on the moon and the

1496
01:06:44,510 --> 01:06:41,880
man at the Moon whatever and

1497
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:44,520
um it was fascinating then um a series

1498
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:46,980
of cases that I'm going to publish uh

1499
01:06:51,970 --> 01:06:49,799
hooked in this new book that I'm on

1500
01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:51,980
doing now

1501
01:07:00,109 --> 01:06:55,859
talk about a moon that actually divides

1502
01:07:02,329 --> 01:07:00,119
and falls on these creatures Angels

1503
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:02,339
people come out it doesn't seem like the

1504
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,660
moon to me but we have a whole

1505
01:07:07,490 --> 01:07:06,180
collection of those too and when we're

1506
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:07,500
going back through time so the moons are

1507
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,750
it's it's also interesting because there

1508
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,280
are there are those a correlation there

1509
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:20,400
between like a disc shaped you know

1510
01:07:26,329 --> 01:07:23,839
light and that it it kind of by like

1511
01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:26,339
subdividing and then beings come out it

1512
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:28,260
reminds me of those old crash stories

1513
01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:32,760
where some where the the ship

1514
01:07:36,970 --> 01:07:34,980
um seemingly could could come apart in

1515
01:07:41,150 --> 01:07:36,980
segments I remember there's some classic

1516
01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:41,160
1940s 50s uh stories of of crashes where

1517
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:44,280
where once you know the the um the

1518
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,740
scuttlebutt or like the received you

1519
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,720
know lore that we get is is that they

1520
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:50,880
eventually figured out that that the

1521
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,400
ship would come together like pieces or

1522
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:55,280
something like that or

1523
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:57,480
it's the whole idea of perfection

1524
01:08:01,789 --> 01:07:59,460
because that would be a perfect a

1525
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:01,799
perfect visual crashing rather than

1526
01:08:05,930 --> 01:08:04,020
being totally obliterated that would be

1527
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:05,940
Perfection which is why we have the same

1528
01:08:10,809 --> 01:08:08,640
ideas if you go back to

1529
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:14,210
swedenborg Swedish a contact day his

1530
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:16,920
encounters with people from Mercury they

1531
01:08:21,050 --> 01:08:19,020
wore suits we didn't have any teams in

1532
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:21,060
them because they were so perfect and

1533
01:08:26,890 --> 01:08:23,100
that's why you have so many aliens even

1534
01:08:28,749 --> 01:08:26,900
today or at least in the 1950s 60s 70s

1535
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,759
alien

1536
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:30,900
encounters of the third third coming

1537
01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:33,420
were more popular then then a lot of the

1538
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,980
time they wore soups that didn't have

1539
01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:37,020
any kind of imperfection back on so

1540
01:08:46,209 --> 01:08:39,540
Pockets no seams how did they get into

1541
01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:50,030
1848 where you find the first uh close

1542
01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:53,400
encounter story and literature

1543
01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:56,060
um where you find uh

1544
01:09:01,249 --> 01:08:58,980
in a book called the Triumph the Triumph

1545
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:01,259
of woman Christmas Story and with that

1546
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:03,239
title that's why no one's remembered it

1547
01:09:09,650 --> 01:09:06,719
for something years uh and you have

1548
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:09,660
their own a UFO that comes down uh it

1549
01:09:15,229 --> 01:09:12,239
almost hits a guy's house but it holds

1550
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:15,239
his garden and this being comes out and

1551
01:09:19,729 --> 01:09:17,580
he's wearing a one-piece suit with no

1552
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,739
with no seams in it and this is this is

1553
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:21,839
the basic idea it's the idea of

1554
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:24,960
perfection that a circle is perfection a

1555
01:09:31,070 --> 01:09:27,960
sphere is perfection

1556
01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:31,080
being on holding in segments

1557
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:33,420
this makes sense in that

1558
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:36,060
well it's a fascinating idea because

1559
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,319
partially that that you know is it is

1560
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:42,719
that why that

1561
01:09:48,349 --> 01:09:46,259
you know it somebody from a skeptical

1562
01:09:50,749 --> 01:09:48,359
side of things could could say like

1563
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:50,759
these are why these are these kind of

1564
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:53,759
tantalizing ideas and and why they get

1565
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:56,460
they get pushed out there and that's the

1566
01:10:01,130 --> 01:09:59,160
that's the basis and you know you could

1567
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:01,140
also come at things from the point of

1568
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:04,140
view as that is why the steward this

1569
01:10:08,450 --> 01:10:06,060
story has endured over the years that's

1570
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,460
why this specific case you know

1571
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,800
translates through time is that idea of

1572
01:10:15,890 --> 01:10:12,719
perfection that it has that that that

1573
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:15,900
has more to that's more the hook that

1574
01:10:21,169 --> 01:10:19,320
that lands it in a book 200 year 500 or

1575
01:10:23,149 --> 01:10:21,179
a thousand years later

1576
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:23,159
um rather than some say like complete

1577
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:24,840
High strangeness case from a thousand

1578
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,760
years ago where people were just like I

1579
01:10:31,930 --> 01:10:28,800
don't know and then you know like walked

1580
01:10:34,030 --> 01:10:31,940
on or something like that you know

1581
01:10:37,790 --> 01:10:34,040
over the place

1582
01:10:39,709 --> 01:10:37,800
400 years old now Bishop Godwin spoke

1583
01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:39,719
about the people on the moon and this is

1584
01:10:44,930 --> 01:10:41,880
the first time that we find the ancient

1585
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:44,940
asphalt Theory very almost almost sort

1586
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:47,580
of referred to because he says that on

1587
01:10:52,970 --> 01:10:49,800
the moon Perfection is very important

1588
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:52,980
that any babies that too much or born

1589
01:10:58,130 --> 01:10:55,140
with defects of poses can offend they're

1590
01:11:01,550 --> 01:10:58,140
thrown down to Earth where they became

1591
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,560
our North American Indians and that's

1592
01:11:08,209 --> 01:11:06,590
but

1593
01:11:10,729 --> 01:11:08,219
um that's what they did they were so

1594
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:10,739
perfectionist they got certain persons

1595
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,560
and sent them to Earth there's just so

1596
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,320
much about that in in these old stories

1597
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:18,480
of course these days the whole idea of

1598
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,760
this sphere and whatever and so

1599
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:23,760
perfectly silvery all of this is to do

1600
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:27,000
with perfection and in the book I also

1601
01:11:33,229 --> 01:11:30,960
make a origin of the Nordic alien and in

1602
01:11:35,209 --> 01:11:33,239
early literature because that predates a

1603
01:11:39,070 --> 01:11:35,219
damn Square predates everybody and

1604
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:39,080
that's a tradition that carried on for

1605
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:43,199
150 180 years non-stop that our

1606
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:47,159
ancestors were so quick that and we have

1607
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:48,179
to remember that these were the

1608
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:49,860
anthropologists of the time speaking

1609
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:51,900
where they had perfect white skin and

1610
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,880
blue eyes and blonde hair and so on

1611
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,159
that's what they thought that protection

1612
01:12:00,890 --> 01:11:58,320
looked like which is why Adam and Eve

1613
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,900
would also have perfect white skin blue

1614
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,120
eyes and blonde hair but then of course

1615
01:12:08,209 --> 01:12:06,000
you find that um throughout the 19th

1616
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,219
century people started saying maybe Adam

1617
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:10,620
and Eve came from other planets and they

1618
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,719
must have also had a white skin blue

1619
01:12:17,149 --> 01:12:14,480
eyes and so on they looked like

1620
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:17,159
Scandinavians and

1621
01:12:22,370 --> 01:12:19,500
um they and then the word Nordic came

1622
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:22,380
into play and Nordic alien that's what

1623
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:25,260
we're still running with today I go into

1624
01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:27,540
into that in the

1625
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,420
end that's something uh all this has to

1626
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,120
do with uh you know religion or at least

1627
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:35,520
the Bible in in Jesus right he was

1628
01:12:41,330 --> 01:12:39,900
perfect so it's interesting so

1629
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:41,340
um

1630
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,380
yeah no you go ahead Jeff you got a

1631
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,320
question sure yeah I've got I've got

1632
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:48,320
kind of you want to write a measurements

1633
01:12:52,430 --> 01:12:50,520
yeah I don't want to take up too much of

1634
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,440
your time Chris thank you so much for

1635
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:55,080
joining us from from Spain oh I actually

1636
01:13:01,010 --> 01:12:58,800
have two questions one I recognized that

1637
01:13:04,669 --> 01:13:01,020
you're coming to us from Spain but I've

1638
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:04,679
never heard how you landed in Spain you

1639
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:07,739
you grew you were born in London you you

1640
01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:09,540
landed in Spain uh when you were 19

1641
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:12,420
years old and seems like uh and you've

1642
01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:14,040
been there ever since I mean you know

1643
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:15,300
apart from traveling and things like

1644
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:16,320
that

1645
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,020
um so how did you get to Spain

1646
01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:21,780
yeah it's a the typical story of a guy

1647
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:24,360
who was a 15 16 year old who used to

1648
01:13:30,590 --> 01:13:27,480
correspond with the astronaut writers uh

1649
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:30,600
and early teens and then when I was 18 I

1650
01:13:36,590 --> 01:13:33,780
went to uh Minnesota and

1651
01:13:38,570 --> 01:13:36,600
um to to meet one of them

1652
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,580
and then I went to California to meet

1653
01:13:44,510 --> 01:13:40,800
another one from M green he wrote a book

1654
01:13:46,669 --> 01:13:44,520
about the the ancient dogs threats but a

1655
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:46,679
couple of weeks sleeping on his sofa and

1656
01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:49,800
uh that was that was a lot of fun and

1657
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:51,480
then none of these people believed I was

1658
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:54,800
a team uh at the time

1659
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:56,820
and then

1660
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:59,400
um I went back to England where I

1661
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:02,159
started working in Burger King because I

1662
01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:04,199
just wanted to to work on books and

1663
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:05,880
research and so on I just wanted a very

1664
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:09,360
simple job for him being and uh then I

1665
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,820
was extremely anti-fast food at the time

1666
01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:14,400
so I wanted to destroy Burger King from

1667
01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:19,729
I think they had an inspection to happen

1668
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:21,780
and they end up closing around and

1669
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:24,600
firing a general manager and all kinds

1670
01:14:30,169 --> 01:14:27,239
of terms happened and then while I was

1671
01:14:31,610 --> 01:14:30,179
there I met two two employees of that

1672
01:14:35,410 --> 01:14:31,620
branch of Burger King in Southampton

1673
01:14:37,810 --> 01:14:35,420
England and they were from Spain

1674
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:37,820
they thought well I'm just going to

1675
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:40,560
start booking and hitchhiking from

1676
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:43,100
France just

1677
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:47,219
all over the world and I reached Spain I

1678
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:49,080
saw them then I went down to Malaga

1679
01:14:53,630 --> 01:14:50,520
which is on the coast just next to

1680
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:53,640
Africa and I was blocked I was attacked

1681
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,560
and robbed and left half blind because

1682
01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:57,600
they threw a detergent in my face had a

1683
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,739
bandage and I spent a week sleeping in

1684
01:15:05,229 --> 01:15:03,120
the street

1685
01:15:08,030 --> 01:15:05,239
um wandering around with probably

1686
01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:08,040
anatomy of a phenomenon in one pocket of

1687
01:15:12,890 --> 01:15:09,900
my massive Overcoat which I shouldn't

1688
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,900
have been pot and then I had a copy of

1689
01:15:17,570 --> 01:15:15,120
the Quran I don't remember why I was

1690
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:17,580
studying old religious texts at the time

1691
01:15:23,630 --> 01:15:20,880
and sort of continues around sleeping in

1692
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:23,640
bus stations until finally someone said

1693
01:15:28,189 --> 01:15:25,560
hey why don't you get classes to my to

1694
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:28,199
my son and that's how it will start it

1695
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,420
became well English private English

1696
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:31,920
teacher for that town where I was living

1697
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:34,560
and that's how it all began oh that's

1698
01:15:39,950 --> 01:15:37,140
amazing that's amazing oh it's it's

1699
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,960
great to hear that finally and uh my

1700
01:15:43,970 --> 01:15:42,000
last question I guess there are so many

1701
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,980
fundamental questions that lay the

1702
01:15:48,649 --> 01:15:46,320
essential groundwork for researchers and

1703
01:15:50,450 --> 01:15:48,659
enthusiasts of anomalous inquiry who are

1704
01:15:52,729 --> 01:15:50,460
these beings where they come from where

1705
01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:52,739
they live how do they live people often

1706
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:55,020
start with those there's also what does

1707
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,880
this tell us about physics does it tell

1708
01:16:01,070 --> 01:15:58,560
us anything about where we go after we

1709
01:16:04,130 --> 01:16:01,080
die religion philosophy the nature of

1710
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:04,140
reality Consciousness all that so for

1711
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:06,780
you what is an essential underlying

1712
01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:09,000
question for you that you keep finding

1713
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:11,820
yourself Tethered to coming back to over

1714
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:18,950
uh an essential question about the field

1715
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:22,080
itself or my relationship to it or I

1716
01:16:27,950 --> 01:16:25,620
guess I guess like meaning that like for

1717
01:16:29,570 --> 01:16:27,960
a lot of people there's a tether within

1718
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:29,580
within their fascination of the

1719
01:16:34,850 --> 01:16:32,640
phenomenon that leads them to like what

1720
01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:34,860
is the science what is like what it

1721
01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:36,780
means about Consciousness what it means

1722
01:16:41,450 --> 01:16:38,520
about our souls or something like that

1723
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:41,460
and so like I guess what is what is a

1724
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:43,080
big picture question for you that

1725
01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:45,719
underlies that underlines

1726
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:47,880
um your research over the years does

1727
01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:55,130
probably human reaction to it I would I

1728
01:17:00,530 --> 01:16:57,900
would assume well on the one hand it's

1729
01:17:02,570 --> 01:17:00,540
human human reaction to this as a

1730
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:02,580
stimulus

1731
01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:06,960
um because uh I mean whether whether all

1732
01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:09,960
of this is real or not and I saw

1733
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:11,820
something so at least I know what I saw

1734
01:17:15,169 --> 01:17:13,500
was real I can't speak about the other

1735
01:17:17,810 --> 01:17:15,179
99.99

1736
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:17,820
99 people but

1737
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,020
um how this affects people's perception

1738
01:17:27,169 --> 01:17:24,960
of the world around them and how this

1739
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:27,179
helping people in base based decisions

1740
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:29,640
on on what they've seen and perceived in

1741
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,860
the sky in the universe um throughout

1742
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:34,080
history people have taken decisions uh

1743
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:36,600
based on who this stuff we've seen uh in

1744
01:17:42,050 --> 01:17:39,239
the end in Antiquity it was omen's

1745
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:42,060
important these days if you've seen a

1746
01:17:47,149 --> 01:17:44,159
UFO or have an encounter or you've been

1747
01:17:49,550 --> 01:17:47,159
adapted then that totally changed your

1748
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:49,560
perspective on on life the universe and

1749
01:17:56,090 --> 01:17:53,040
everything it's like this Adams it it's

1750
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:56,100
um it's just an amazing deep connection

1751
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,920
that you have then as as far as I'm

1752
01:18:04,729 --> 01:18:01,679
interested as far as I'm concerned

1753
01:18:06,410 --> 01:18:04,739
feel always remains valid to me no

1754
01:18:08,450 --> 01:18:06,420
matter whether I'm in a skeptical mood

1755
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:08,460
or a believing mood because it's

1756
01:18:13,790 --> 01:18:10,620
something that touches on LinkedIn

1757
01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:13,800
apology and sociology and Archeology and

1758
01:18:17,390 --> 01:18:15,260
all theologies that you could imagine

1759
01:18:20,090 --> 01:18:17,400
and it's something that brings

1760
01:18:22,250 --> 01:18:20,100
everything together which is which I

1761
01:18:24,110 --> 01:18:22,260
think it's something that religion used

1762
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,120
to do

1763
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,400
in all times and now and now this kind

1764
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:27,600
of thing

1765
01:18:33,229 --> 01:18:31,440
it's also constantly validated for me no

1766
01:18:35,169 --> 01:18:33,239
matter whether I look at it as a scholar

1767
01:18:38,570 --> 01:18:35,179
as a Believer as a philosopher

1768
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:38,580
mystically then by the same time it is

1769
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:40,380
absolutely true and I never thought

1770
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:42,600
about this that I do sometimes wonder

1771
01:18:50,450 --> 01:18:46,800
whether I've experienced more than I and

1772
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:50,460
I know because I've had

1773
01:18:56,570 --> 01:18:54,239
hit experiences in my life that sort of

1774
01:18:58,430 --> 01:18:56,580
I just feel that I'm doing what I should

1775
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,440
be doing that's all I I can't really

1776
01:19:03,169 --> 01:19:00,960
explain that and it probably has totally

1777
01:19:05,149 --> 01:19:03,179
psychological groups but I feel

1778
01:19:08,930 --> 01:19:05,159
sometimes that there's a question to me

1779
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,940
in this field uh whether that's uh

1780
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:11,520
because of my curiosity about it or

1781
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:13,560
whether it because it's something that I

1782
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,300
might feel it might explain something

1783
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:17,520
that's happened to me I don't know I'll

1784
01:19:21,410 --> 01:19:19,260
have to psychoanalyze myself I'll get

1785
01:19:23,570 --> 01:19:21,420
someone to do it one day oh that makes

1786
01:19:25,490 --> 01:19:23,580
perfect sense to me that makes absolute

1787
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,500
perfect sense to me I I love that and

1788
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:27,600
thank you for revealing that I've got

1789
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:29,880
one more question do you mind Sean I've

1790
01:19:34,850 --> 01:19:31,860
got it go ahead okay cool one more

1791
01:19:37,130 --> 01:19:34,860
question then we then Chris can go to to

1792
01:19:43,790 --> 01:19:37,140
uh it's just about reaching dinner time

1793
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,729
um uh and my question is that uh you we

1794
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,719
were talking earlier today and you told

1795
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:51,360
me that you have been having some con

1796
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:54,120
you had a conversation recently with Dr

1797
01:19:59,390 --> 01:19:57,120
valet and I was wondering if you could

1798
01:20:01,850 --> 01:19:59,400
tell us anything about what that

1799
01:20:03,709 --> 01:20:01,860
conversation was about specifically

1800
01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:03,719
about work in the future

1801
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:05,580
okay so

1802
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:07,760
um yeah so it's been

1803
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:12,120
uh 13 years since we published wonders

1804
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:13,679
in the sky

1805
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,260
um when we did that it was at a time

1806
01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:18,719
when we'd have access to all the sources

1807
01:20:22,970 --> 01:20:21,420
and resources that we have today uh so

1808
01:20:24,649 --> 01:20:22,980
much has changed and on the internet

1809
01:20:28,189 --> 01:20:24,659
there's been an explosion of digital

1810
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:28,199
libraries and networking and so on so we

1811
01:20:32,930 --> 01:20:30,120
wouldn't have made the same mistakes

1812
01:20:34,729 --> 01:20:32,940
that we made in some of the cases and

1813
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:34,739
stories that we published at that time

1814
01:20:42,169 --> 01:20:39,120
so since then uh We've made one new

1815
01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:42,179
edition of that book uh we have a copy

1816
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:45,060
here somewhere I can possibly miss it

1817
01:20:49,610 --> 01:20:47,580
but it's this massive thing here

1818
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:49,620
um it falls on your toe it just happened

1819
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:52,860
to me once yeah even for a shot and it's

1820
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:55,140
great because it's um full of colored

1821
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:56,880
pictures and whatever but it's probably

1822
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,580
one of the most expensive UFO books ever

1823
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:02,239
made too but it was necessary

1824
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:04,560
to be that that way it was a copyright

1825
01:21:09,290 --> 01:21:06,900
problem with with chair they didn't want

1826
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:09,300
to make a new English so we had to do

1827
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:10,560
that and it was the only way we can get

1828
01:21:17,090 --> 01:21:13,520
around there anyway so um

1829
01:21:19,729 --> 01:21:17,100
what I want to do now

1830
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:19,739
actually I'll publish a refresh is what

1831
01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:22,920
I'm looking at wonders in the sky uh

1832
01:21:26,990 --> 01:21:25,080
very soon that in in the coming months

1833
01:21:28,610 --> 01:21:27,000
uh to get rid of

1834
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:28,620
um a lot of cases bringing new ones

1835
01:21:33,130 --> 01:21:30,840
correct mistakes from the past better

1836
01:21:36,169 --> 01:21:33,140
translations and so on then

1837
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:36,179
coincidentally uh the other day

1838
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:38,760
um uh Jax uh asked me whether I'm

1839
01:21:44,290 --> 01:21:40,920
interested in doing another part of

1840
01:21:46,090 --> 01:21:44,300
Wonders in the sky that is to say from

1841
01:21:48,890 --> 01:21:46,100
900 to

1842
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,900
1940 and I believe that we can do it

1843
01:21:52,010 --> 01:21:50,400
really really well together because we

1844
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,020
work very well together we have

1845
01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:54,000
different opinions about all of this but

1846
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:57,540
we complement each other so

1847
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:01,440
um with his experience uh with with the

1848
01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:03,900
massive amount of archive material that

1849
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,060
I have and he must have two we're going

1850
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:08,159
to start work on this I believe very

1851
01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:10,080
very soon we haven't ironed out the

1852
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,020
details yet but there it is all right

1853
01:22:17,810 --> 01:22:16,080
that's it there's a scoop for the day uh

1854
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,820
that's wonderful to hear yeah it's

1855
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,199
fantastic that you guys are going to be

1856
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:21,120
working together again so so happy to

1857
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:22,880
hear about that

1858
01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:25,679
as I said firstly I want to get this out

1859
01:22:29,630 --> 01:22:27,960
this is this is only a draft cover but

1860
01:22:33,470 --> 01:22:29,640
this will be like the the one that I

1861
01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:33,480
want to do oh wow beautiful with a bit

1862
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:36,120
of luck I can get that soon

1863
01:22:40,729 --> 01:22:38,580
um out and I'm just gonna get to the

1864
01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:40,739
right sources make sure that I can

1865
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,140
absolutely break translation and

1866
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:45,360
everything typically correct it's also

1867
01:22:48,430 --> 01:22:47,460
working in tandem with the with the

1868
01:22:51,530 --> 01:22:48,440
United

1869
01:22:53,870 --> 01:22:51,540
fishing because people need to know that

1870
01:22:56,689 --> 01:22:53,880
there are two two sides to this and the

1871
01:22:58,370 --> 01:22:56,699
one who have writings which is fine but

1872
01:22:59,570 --> 01:22:58,380
on the other hand you need to get the

1873
01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:59,580
contact you need to get the social

1874
01:23:04,189 --> 01:23:01,800
cultural content for you to know what

1875
01:23:07,729 --> 01:23:04,199
people what was on people's minds at the

1876
01:23:10,729 --> 01:23:07,739
time so it's all right Mr Smith's or

1877
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,739
weird lightens die in 1824 but you need

1878
01:23:15,169 --> 01:23:12,719
to know whether at that time there was

1879
01:23:16,729 --> 01:23:15,179
any possibility of interpreting that as

1880
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:16,739
aliens and what I've shown in Alien

1881
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,520
artifact

1882
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,440
is that

1883
01:23:24,110 --> 01:23:21,199
um that is the case really people

1884
01:23:26,930 --> 01:23:24,120
started interpreting things

1885
01:23:29,630 --> 01:23:26,940
um in an alien way pretty pretty early

1886
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:29,640
on you have the Ancient Ancient Alien

1887
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:32,880
series starting in 1823 but then the

1888
01:23:41,930 --> 01:23:36,239
first deep description of alien activity

1889
01:23:45,649 --> 01:23:41,940
on Earth as a theory was 1857. uh so

1890
01:23:47,570 --> 01:23:45,659
people have to know about this so yeah

1891
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,580
it's so interesting because it's right

1892
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:49,199
around that time when people started

1893
01:23:53,330 --> 01:23:51,780
coming up with the idea of airships and

1894
01:23:56,330 --> 01:23:53,340
and how to get something in the air was

1895
01:23:58,090 --> 01:23:56,340
like around the 1850s or 60s I think

1896
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:58,100
so interesting

1897
01:24:02,689 --> 01:24:01,020
well this has been absolutely fantastic

1898
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:02,699
yeah

1899
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,760
I really appreciate it so I mean you've

1900
01:24:11,149 --> 01:24:08,159
put a lot more on my plate unbeknownst

1901
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:11,159
to you now I have to go back and get

1902
01:24:16,610 --> 01:24:13,260
serious about the ancient sightings so

1903
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thanks for that there goes another two

1904
01:24:22,910 --> 01:24:19,100
years of my life

1905
01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:22,920
absolutely and it's wonderful

1906
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:24,840
yeah and it's wonderful to hear that you

1907
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:26,820
have so much I mean a that you've got

1908
01:24:31,250 --> 01:24:29,280
this wonderful book out just now just

1909
01:24:35,330 --> 01:24:31,260
recently everybody uh if you're

1910
01:24:37,130 --> 01:24:35,340
interested alien artifacts uh you can I

1911
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:37,140
I picked up my copy just a few weeks ago

1912
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:38,940
it's an absolutely wonderful book and

1913
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:41,520
and uh you have so much more coming down

1914
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,320
the pike and it would be wonderful to

1915
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:45,840
have you back in the future uh to to

1916
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talk more about uh wonders and

1917
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everything else that's going on so thank

1918
01:24:56,570 --> 01:24:53,880
you so much Chris thank you so much for

1919
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:56,580
joining us and I really appreciate it

1920
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,780
yeah

1921
01:25:01,610 --> 01:24:59,760
thank you I really appreciate you taking

1922
01:25:03,410 --> 01:25:01,620
the time I had a great talk with you and

1923
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:03,420
like Jay said hopefully we get to do it

1924
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:04,320
again

1925
01:25:10,189 --> 01:25:07,679
yeah okay yeah go wonderful all right

1926
01:25:13,729 --> 01:25:10,199
have a wonderful evening Chris thank you

1927
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:13,739
all right thanks bye

1928
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:15,780
awesome fantastic

1929
01:25:22,130 --> 01:25:19,440
Ally great yeah or do it the snow

1930
01:25:25,010 --> 01:25:22,140
Storm's really picking up by me oh yeah

1931
01:25:27,950 --> 01:25:25,020
all right yeah yeah it's it's pretty

1932
01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:27,960
rainy over here in uh in in beautiful

1933
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:29,940
Jersey City as well a lot of

1934
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,560
precipitation happening here today uh

1935
01:25:35,090 --> 01:25:33,120
that was an absolutely wonderful show

1936
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:35,100
and I'm so psyched that we get to have

1937
01:25:38,930 --> 01:25:37,080
another uh wonderful episode this week

1938
01:25:41,330 --> 01:25:38,940
on Friday

1939
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,340
with Gary Nolan that's a really fun

1940
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:43,199
combo you know there'll be really nice

1941
01:25:47,090 --> 01:25:44,880
bookends for the week

1942
01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:47,100
um going from going from the historical

1943
01:25:51,610 --> 01:25:50,040
to kind of like you're always very big

1944
01:25:54,350 --> 01:25:51,620
long pictures

1945
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:54,360
it always happens like that when you

1946
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:55,860
know you

1947
01:26:00,830 --> 01:25:58,800
you we go a while without uh guests you

1948
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:00,840
know and then then we get two and then

1949
01:26:06,169 --> 01:26:02,960
they both do it in the same week

1950
01:26:09,229 --> 01:26:06,179
that's right yep it snowballs it has a

1951
01:26:11,149 --> 01:26:09,239
tendency to snowball well well I am I'm

1952
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,159
super psyched about this I hope uh your

1953
01:26:16,189 --> 01:26:13,440
snowstorm goes well I hope the driveway

1954
01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:16,199
is nice and clean by Friday and uh you

1955
01:26:22,490 --> 01:26:18,300
can join us uh I hope the neighbor

1956
01:26:24,830 --> 01:26:22,500
doesn't slip and fall and uh you know

1957
01:26:27,709 --> 01:26:24,840
I'll be keeping my eye out all right

1958
01:26:30,169 --> 01:26:27,719
well thank you thanks thanks so much to

1959
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:30,179
Chris for joining us today uh from Spain

1960
01:26:35,629 --> 01:26:32,820
and thanks as always to everybody in the

1961
01:26:37,129 --> 01:26:35,639
chat uh you I it was wonderful to see

1962
01:26:39,229 --> 01:26:37,139
the conversation happening over there

1963
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,239
you guys are always so positive and

1964
01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:41,760
invested and interested and it's it's

1965
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:44,820
it's it's really inspiring to see uh all

1966
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:46,980
of you in the chat today so thanks yes I

1967
01:26:53,330 --> 01:26:49,440
mean we take pride in our chat we have

1968
01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:53,340
the best chat in the universe you know

1969
01:26:56,990 --> 01:26:55,080
there definitely is YouTube live

1970
01:26:59,050 --> 01:26:57,000
streaming over and Venus and other

1971
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,060
galaxies

1972
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,679
and out of all of that this is the best

1973
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:03,840
chat room you guys are always so kind

1974
01:27:09,290 --> 01:27:05,400
inquisitive

1975
01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:09,300
um and yeah and just consider it and um

1976
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:11,340
attentive so I appreciate that so

1977
01:27:16,669 --> 01:27:14,639
absolutely that being said I guess we'll

1978
01:27:19,370 --> 01:27:16,679
see you on

1979
01:27:22,189 --> 01:27:19,380
Friday Friday absolutely love you buddy

1980
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:22,199
love you too man peace all right see you

1981
01:27:32,570 --> 01:27:30,010
[Music]

1982
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with all due respect to the Air Force I